In this episode of Unspoken Security, host A.J. Nash continues his conversation with guests Ana Aslanishvili & Shawn Abelson from Pine Risk Management as they dive into the intricacies of security risk management, challenging the conventional separation between cyber and physical security. They emphasize the critical need for a holistic security approach, shedding light on common assumptions and practices that might not hold up under scrutiny.

Through engaging discussions, the trio uncovers the subtle yet impactful differences between penetration testing and red teaming, illustrating the value of viewing security measures through the lens of potential adversaries. This approach tests the effectiveness of existing security protocols and fosters a culture of continuous improvement and adaptation to evolving threats.

Listeners are treated to real-world anecdotes, from navigating the challenges of physical security assessments to the nuances of social engineering, offering a rare glimpse into the minds of security professionals who think outside the box to protect organizations from obvious and obscure vulnerabilities.

This episode serves as a reminder of the ever-blurring lines between physical and cybersecurity, urging professionals and organizations alike to adopt a more integrated and dynamic approach to safeguarding their assets.

Finally, as is customary on "Unspoken Security," Ana and Shawn each share something they hadn't previously talked about...something unspoken...and you're going to want to hear their stories.